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Speaking with Saber

May 2, 2013

Saber

Back in 1997, Saber achieved legendary status as a writer when he completed the largest graffiti piece ever created.  On the bank of the Los Angeles River, it was almost the size of a professional football field. Since, he has achieved great acclaim for the works that he has also created indoors – his mesmeric paintings that fuse his extraordinary calligraffiti techniques with his fine art painting skills. While visiting his current exhibit at Opera Gallery the day after it opened, we had the opportunity to speak to Saber.

When did you first get up in a public space?

I was around ten years old when I tagged a bench in Glendale, my home town. I got scared and I wiped it off. I did this about ten times.

What inspired you at the time?

The first time I saw Belmont tunnel, I was blown away by its complex wild styles.

Saber art

What about shows? When did you first exhibit your work?

Back in the late 90’s in a terrible t-shirt store.

You’ve sure have come a long way. How did you hook up with Opera Gallery?

Through Ron English. We’ve been good friends for about ten years.

Saber

Do you have a formal art education?

I tried art school briefly and soon realized what a waste of time, money and energy it was. It’s a scam. I got a crash course in art doing graffiti. Graffiti informed me. And my parents are artists. I was always painting.

Any thoughts about the graffiti/ street art divide?

I love it all. Street art is more accessible and graffiti is about style and getting up. Your signature is the essence of your life, as it lives on long after you do. Wild style is the true heart of street art. “Street art” is just a general term.

What is the riskiest thing you ever did?

Having a child. She’s two years old.

Saber

What do you see as the future of street art and graffiti?

Street art is going far more mainstream. Graffiti goes in cycles; that’s what makes it graffiti.

What do you see as the role of artist?

To reflect back on society.

The exhibit continues until May 11 at 115 Spring Street in SoHo.

Photos by Lois Stavsky

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UR New York

We recently had the opportunity to speak to the dynamic Mike Baca aka 2ESAE and Fernando Romero aka SKI of the collective UR New York at Pop International’s new pop-up location at the Atrium at 153 East 53rd Street – where a vibrant new series of the talented duo’s art is on view.

When was UR New York born?

Mike: It started back in 2002 as a clothing line. But it died out for a while.

Fernando: Then in 2011 we revived it as an art collective.

You two are such a great team. How did you guys meet?

Fernando: We met through a mutual friend in 2005.

What would you say is the key to your success as a team?

Fernando: We don’t let the success get to us. We do what we do because it feels right.  As individuals we’re strong, but when we work together as a team, we are even stronger. And we are like brothers.

Do you guys have a mission of some kind?

Fernando: It’s all about individuality. Most people are sheep. The message is: Don’t be sheep. Be who you are, and be the best that you can be – whoever you are and whatever you do.

UR New York street art

Have you a formal art education?

Mike: I went to the High School of Art and Design.

Fernando: I graduated from Parsons in 2006.

Any thoughts about art school, Fernando?

It was an amazing experience. I met so many talented people – students and teachers — and I now have friends from all over the world.

How has your work evolved in the past few years?

Fernando: We’ve begun to focus much more on detail. We experiment with different styles and variations of colors.

Mike: We’ve learned how to step out of our comfort zone.

UR New York

How do you feel about the movement of graffiti into galleries?

Fernando: Even though it’s been going on for awhile, it’s a process. It will take awhile for graffiti to be accepted by the art establishment.

Mike:  As long as you keep it real, it’s a great platform. And at this gallery – Pop International – a percentage of our sales goes to CAW, a non-profit that offers free arts workshops to kids uptown.

Tell us something about your experiences here at Pop International and CAW.

Mike: It’s been awesome. The folks here at Pop International are like family to us. And through CAW, we’ve been working with kids. It’s great serving as role models.

Fernando:  Definitely. It’s been a great experience. And we get to hang out in this gallery and see our artwork hanging alongside the likes of Keith Haring and Basquiat!

Who are some of your favorite artists?

Fernando: Among my favorites are: KA, Belin from Spain and my partner, Mike Baca!

Mike: I like Skewville, REVS, Smart CrewKA and See One.

UR New York and KA

Any thoughts about the graffiti/street art divide?

Mike: I can appreciate street art. I like the way it interacts with the environment. But there’s a natural tension between graffiti writers and street artists, as many writers risked their lives to make their mark. But we’re all in this together, playing in the same arena.

Have you any first graffiti memory that comes to mind?

Mike:  I remember finding a can of spray paint in my basement. I took it to school with me and wrote my name in the schoolyard. I got suspended.

Fernando: I was about six years old when I saw my cousin writing for the first time in Astoria, Queens. By the time I was ten, I started writing my name around my neighborhood.

What percentage of your time is devoted to art?

Mike: My whole life is devoted to art. I don’t have a day job, and I almost never sleep.

Fernando: When I’m not making art, I’m thinking about what I’m going to make.

UR New York

Any artists out there you’d like to collaborate with?

Fernando: How and Nosm, Os Gemeos, C215, Jose Parla, Doze Green, WK Interact

Mike: If I could collaborate with anyone, I’d choose BluRoa and Mode.

Any thoughts about the role of the Internet in all this?

Fernando: I see it as good and bad. It’s good because it can give an artist mass exposure. But – at the same time – a nobody can become a somebody. And that’s not good.

Mike: The Internet is the devil. There’s just too much information out there.  But on the plus side, you can get to show your work anywhere.

Any theories as to why graffiti is more embraced in Europe than here in the US?

Mike: People are more relaxed there and more appreciative of everything.

Fernando: Europeans are generally more open than Americans. They’re more laid back. Art has been a part of  European culture far longer, and Europeans tend to respect and appreciate it more.

KA and UR NewYork

Which countries have you guys painted in?

Fernando: Australia, Italy, Austria, Israel, Brazil, the Dominican Republic, Canada, much of the US and Puerto Rico.

Any favorite cities?

Fernando: There’s nothing like NYC.

Where do you get your inspiration?

Fernando: Women, cars, buildings…just walking with my eyes open inspires me.

Mike: NYC. It’s a monster. It’s always alive and a constant source of inspiration.

Tell us something about your process.

Mike: It’s organic. We just let it flow.

Are you generally satisfied with your work?

Mike: We always strive to make it better.

What’s ahead?

Mike: Painting on a larger scale; working more with children and curating shows for people who don’t have the opportunities that we have.

Fernando: All that and making five times as much money!

Photos by Dani Mozeson and Lois Stavsky; the two trucks featured are by UR New York in collaboration with KA

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Speaking with Sen2

April 2, 2013

Sen2 graffiti

Huge fans of Sen2’s masterful artworks on an array of surfaces — from canvases to walls — we were delighted to have the opportunity to visit his South Bronx studio and pose a few questions to him.

When and where did you start getting up?

I first started hitting walls in Puerto Rico – where I grew up – when I was about 15. That was back in 1986.

What inspired you at the time?

I used to spend my summers with family in NYC up in the Bronx. There I discovered pieces by DazeCrash and Seen. I also started noticing pieces in magazines by writers like Hex and Slick,

Have you a formal art education?

No.  The streets have been my teacher. One’s experience is the best teacher.

Sen2's studio

Besides the 4Burners, have you belonged to other crews?

I learned a lot from Tats Cru when I was a member a number of years back. But I am no longer with them. And when I was in Puerto Rico, I painted with BWS.

What about collaborations? Have you collaborated with other artists on specific pieces?

When I’m in my studio, I generally work alone. But I’m currently working with KingBee for an exhibit of our works that opens on Friday, April 12 at Gallery 69 in Tribeca.

KingBee and Sen2

How do you feel about the movement of graffiti into galleries?

I feel it’s a great opportunity for artists. It opens the doors for many of us.

Besides Gallery 69, where else have you exhibited?

My artwork has been featured at the Smithsonian, at the Volkinger Hutte Urban Art Biennale 2013 in Germany and at Miami Art Basel. I’ve also been in other galleries abroad.

Have you any favorite cities?

New York City. The Bronx. That’s where it all began. But I also love Madrid, Spain and San Juan, Puerto Rico.

Sen2

Why do you suppose graffiti is held in higher esteem in Europe than it is here?

There’s no unity here, and that’s part of the problem. We don’t work as a group to present ourselves in a way that will gain us respect and recognition. Every writer has too much pride.

Any thoughts about the graffiti/street art divide?

I like street art, but I will always consider myself a graffiti writer. Everything that I do is rooted in graffiti. And I’d like to see graffiti writers have the same opportunities that street artists have.

Who are some of your favorite writers?

There are many. Among them are: Bio, Beacon, Kem5 and KingBee.

Sen2 in studio

And does anyone — in particular — inspire you these days?

The late Dare TWS from Germany.

What percentage of your time is devoted to art?

100%. I’m all in. Just about all the time – from early morning until late at night.

Any other passions?

I’m also a soccer fan. And I love spending time with my family.

How does your family feel about what you do?

They’re 100% behind me. My wife loves what I do.

Sen2

Your art seems to be always evolving. Your work that was on exhibit at Fountain certainly blurs the lines between graffiti and fine art. Could you tell us something about that?

It all started with wild-style. Then I began to incorporate 3-D elements. And, more recently, my influences have been pop art and abstract art. Everything I do, though, is inspired by graffiti, and all of my current works have graffiti elements in them.

How do you feel about the role of the Internet in all this?

I like it. It keeps me up with what’s happening – both on the streets and in the galleries.

What do you see as the role of the artist in society?

To share with others one’s personal interpretation of the world.

What’s ahead?

Just getting better and bigger for me and my family.

Photos by Lenny Collado, Dani Mozeson, Tara Murray and Lois Stavsky

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BilliKid

Approaching his 80th birthday, Allan Ludwig, aka Elisha Cook, Jr., can be found just about every day in downtown Manhattan photographing the writings on the walls.  With a BFA Degree in Painting and a PhD in Art History from Yale University, he explains his passion for graffiti and street art.

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How did the name Allan Ludwig become Elisha Cook, Jr.?

When I first started posting photos of graffiti on Flickr, I was advised not to use my real name. I chose to identify myself as Elisha Cook, Jr. because he is my favorite actor. The name stuck!

So that’s it!  When did you begin working as a photographer?

Almost 60 years ago. I was in my 20’s.

What attracted you to the field?

I started drawing in my room as a child. But I had difficulty drawing faces. I never liked the way my noses looked. And when I tried to erase them, I’d end up making holes in the paper. It drove me crazy! I decided that it would be easier for me to capture a face with a camera.

street art and graffiti on 11 Spring Street

Had you any influences back then? 

When I was about 13, my neighbor Max Coplan, an accomplished photographer, taught me how to use a camera.

When did the writings and images that surface on public spaces begin to engage you?

In the early 80’s, I walked into a school playground on Grand and Baxter and discovered that its walls were filled with graffiti. I was intrigued. But as I only used black and white film at the time, my earliest photos of graffiti are in black in white, and I wasn’t documenting it regularly.

What spurred you to photograph the streets so methodically since 2000?

My neighborhood had begun to gentrify. Changes were happening rapidly. Overnight the rent on a local restaurant soared from $4,000 a month to $16,000. I wanted to document these changes. And as soon as I switched from black and white film to color, I began noticing street art.

11 Spring Street

Have you had any particularly memorable experiences while photographing graffiti and street art?

I once came upon a love letter written by a woman from England to Faile that was posted onto the building at 11 Spring Street. She had assumed, incorrectly, that Faile was one person and single. I photographed her love letter and posted it onto my Flickr photostream.   When the woman discovered her letter online, she asked me to remove it – which I didn’t. But the story doesn’t end there. She had just returned from Zambia with a love potion. She decided that the time was right for her to visit NYC to meet Faile.  She would set up a meeting to buy a print from him. Surely, the love potion would work!

Did it? What happened? Did she ever meet Faile?

She did, but she encountered an unanticipated problem. When she inserted the love potion into her mouth, it distorted her speech and facial expression. She did meet the object of her love, but she decided against using the love potion. And that’s the end of the story.

Wow! What is it about street art and graffiti that has so captivated you?

It’s the thrill of discovery. There is something magical about it.  I also love its inclusiveness and democratic nature.

11 Spring Street

Have you any thoughts about the street art/graffiti divide?

Most of the street artists I’ve met were trained in art schools, while the original graffiti writers didn’t have any kind of formal art education.  And when the street artists started making their mark on the legendary building at 11 Spring Street off the Bowery, the writers felt that they were not getting enough space or respect.  I remember walking by one day to discover the entire building sprayed all over with silver paint.  There definitely is a divide.

What about your perception of the divide? What differences do you see?

Graffiti is a highly refined art.  It is beautiful. The first generation of writers created an entirely new aesthetic.  They invented a whole new language. Yet few people can understand it and appreciate it. Street art is far more accessible.

There are many folks out there who consider the illegal writings that you photograph vandalism. Have you any thoughts about that?

It’s a non-issue. It’s meaningless. It’s a political fiction invented by politicians and lawyers and the police who enforce it.  It has no validity.

graffiti and street art on 11 Spring Street in NYC

How do you feel about the move of street art and graffiti into museums and galleries?

The commercial world sucks the credibility out of graffiti and street art.  It takes it out of its natural setting.

How do you feel about the role of the Internet in all this?

I think it’s wonderful. It makes everything even more accessible. I have Flickr contacts all over the world.

What do you see as the future of graffiti and street art?

I see it as the most important international movement in world art since American pop art. It’s here to stay.

All photos by Elisha Cook, Jr. Except for first two BilliKid paste-ups of Elisha, images capture NYC’s legendary building at 11 Spring Street, 2006-7

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Michael Cuomo

Working with discarded objects he finds on the streets, Bronx-native Michael Cuomo has been busily creating an alternate universe.  Central to his cosmos are dozens of masks that he displays in a range of public spaces, engaging curious passersby of all ages.  We joined Michael this past Sunday up near Yankee Stadium.

You do magical things with what others have discarded.  When did it all begin?

The idea of working with found objects came to me after I took a three-hour class in “drawing with wire” at Bronx Community College back in 2006. I made my first masks with wire. And as I’d always been drawn to objects that others deem useless, I began to search for these objects and gradually incorporate them into my masks.

You certainly have some strange objects integrated into these masks – from car parts to broken toys to old hats. How do you manage to get hold of such a variety?

I find most of them on the streets, and recently friends and neighbors have begun giving me “donations.”

Michael Cuomo

When recycling these materials into masks, do you work with a defined concept of the final product?

Never.  It’s an organic process. When the mask is finished, it tells me so.  I have dozens of sketchbooks and constantly draw, but I don’t consciously work from my sketches.

What engages you about recycling and working with found objects?

It reminds me that we are all one on this planet.  The objects that I find help connect me with others – their original owners and our anscestors. I also feel that by recycling I am – in some small way – helping our planet.

Why have you decided to share your masks with the public out here on the streets?

It’s the best way for me to connect with the people. My art is “for the people” and “by the people.”  When strangers see my art and engage with it, they break the monotony of their daily lives. I also like the dialog that it spurs.

Michael Cuomo mask

Where have you displayed your masks?

I’ve shared them in quite a few public spaces. On 110th Street in East Harlem…in front of the Hayden Planetarium on the Upper West Side…on the 6 train.

What about galleries?

I’ve exhibited them at NYU, Gallery 69, at the Longwood Art Gallery up here in the Bronx, and I have a show coming up later this spring in New Rochelle.

How does your family feel about what you are doing?

They like it, but I can’t say they embrace it!

Michael Cuomo

What do you see as the role of the artist in society?

I see the artist’s role as a transformative one. Art enlightens. My art is an extension of the hip-hop movement that was born here in the Bronx. It is all about empowerment and change.

What’s ahead?

My artworks will continue to evolve and — eventually — will travel the world.

Photos by Lois Stavsky

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Speaking with Joe Iurato

February 27, 2013

Joe Iurato

Joe Iurato‘s splendid stencil art graces the streets and galleries of New York City and beyond. We recently had the opportunity to visit Joe’s studio and find out more about him.

When and where did you start getting up?

Around 2006. I was working over in SoHo for a magazine, and I started by going out and putting up small works on my lunch breaks. I’m a bit of late bloomer when it comes to getting up in the streets, but I guess better late than never.

What inspired you?

My earliest inspirations came from graff, which heavily influenced the b-boy culture I was part of as a kid. Then, in my mid-teens, I started skateboarding and the lines began to blur among the styles of art that surrounded me. Wasn’t so much letterform as it was snakes poppin’ from the eyesockets of toxic green skulls and less refined scrawlings addressing social issues. I liked it all, and I was actively drawing and painting in all styles. I’d always secluded myself with my art, though. Never really liked to show anyone. But something was appealing about being able to share it publicly, without having to tell someone, “That’s mine. I did that.” Just leave it there, and let people take what they may from it. Eventually, the inspiration outweighed the hesitation, and I gave it a shot.

Joe Iurato

What was your most memorable “street art” experience?

In New Brunswick, I did a large piece of a kid praying on a trestle. When I went back to paint again a few months later, a homeless man approached me, pointed to that first piece I did and said, “I don’t care what you do, but if you touch that piece, I’ll kill you.” That made me realize just how important public art is.

Have you collaborated with others?

I work mostly on my own, but I’ve done a few collaborations. Some of the most memorable being with SNOW, SUE WORKS, and Chris Stain.

Have you ever been arrested?

No, I haven’t. I think largely because the risks I’ve taken were fairly calculated. I’m a father trying to support and raise a family, and we just can’t afford fines or worse. These days, most of my work’s done on legal walls.

Joe Iurato

What is the attitude of your family?

My wife is really supportive, and my older son loves that I encourage him to paint the walls in my studio. So, for now, I’m good!

Have you exhibited your work?

Yes, I do. Currently, I’m showing a number of new pieces at Signal Gallery in London.

How do you feel about the movement of graffiti and street art into galleries?

I have no objections to it. Artists and their families deserve to eat, too.

What about festivals? Have you participated in any street art festivals or special events?

Yes. I’ve painted at Welling Court in Queens, at the Living Walls Conference in Albany, at Willoughby Windows in downtown Brooklyn, the G40 Summits in DC, Electric Windows in Beacon, NY, the Art of Basketball in Miami, and regularly at Fountain Art Fair to name a few.

Joe Iurato

Do you have any favorite surfaces?

I love weathered surfaces and texture, but it can sometimes be difficult to work with when I’m applying stencils. For what I do, the smoother, the better. Cinder block, steel, etc…

What percentage of you time is devoted to art?

I’d say 30-40%.

What is the main source of your income?

There is no one source. I sell art, but I also work in a restaurant and write a weekly wine column for a North Jersey newspaper group.

How do you feel about the graffiti street art divide?

To me, that argument doesn’t make much sense. We’re more or less doing the same thing. Maybe some of the ideology is different and the methods and materials, but we’re expressing ourselves creatively and publicly. Regardless, if you work in the streets, you have to respect your roots. It all started with the graffiti writers.

Joe Iurato

And what about the Internet? How do you feel about the role of the Internet in all of this?

Like everything else, there are pros and cons. It’s a great way to share your work and network with the community, but it can also make anyone a superstar. Some great artists can get lost in the madness of the Internet.

Do you have a formal arts education?

I studied for three years at Montclair State University, but then I quit to study wine.

Did your art education benefit you?

It helped me understand color theory and composition. I also loved art history. But I can’t say any of it directly affected my aesthetic or technique.

What inspires you these days?

I’m inspired by what I’m doing and how I’m living, which is why the subject matter and even the mood of my work is constantly changing. At the moment, I’m influenced by a place I’ve been frequenting. It’s an abandoned space near my home with a long, complex history. I’ve been relatively obsessed with documenting it for a few years, and now it’s showing in my work

Joe Iurato

How has your work evolved throughout the years?

I think I have a deeper understanding of my own stencil art. I’ve explored everything from single layer to 15 layer pieces, and its taken years to develop some sort of continuity and fluidity. I feel I’ve finally arrived at a comfortable and consistent method of cutting. That said, I’ve begun challenging myself elsewhere, experimenting with new applications in addition to the stencils.

Are there any artists who particularly inspire you?

There are so many, I’ll kick myself later for forgetting anyone. But on a personal note, the one person I’d like to mention is Logan Hicks. While I don’t have to say anything about how dope his stencil art is, he’s become a close friend and mentor through the years. His work ethic has always inspired me. The dude never rests. He never sits in a pocket just complacent with what he’s done, and it’s not a day or two after a successful opening that he’s back at the grind exploring something new. There are plenty artists out there who’ll also vouch for him being this central figure that’s brought so many of us together. That, and he’s a family man. I admire and respect him.

What do you see as the role of the artist in society?

Public art, especially, in the here and now is a powerful tool that can spark healthy conversation, debate, and even change. But I think that “art” collectively always makes more sense in the future. It helps put a time stamp on our culture, and will in some way define us when there’s little left of our fleeting existence on this planet.

Joe Iurato

What do you see yourself doing in the next five years?

Hopefully continuing along this path. Evolving my work, sharing more of it inside and out, still doing the wine thing, and being able to give my family all they need and deserve through doing what I love.

Wow! Good luck and, of course, we’re thrilled that you are doing what you are doing!

Photos by Lenny Collado, Dani Mozeson, Tara Murray and Lois Stavsky

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Born in Argentina and raised in the Bronx, veteran graffiti artist Nic 707 is once again riding the trains. Curious about the force behind the transient graff galleries that have been surfacing on NYC subways, we posed some questions to Nic.

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When did you first start getting up?

It was back in 1973.

Wow! So you were at the beginning of it all. What inspired you at the time?

My first hero at the time was Checker 170, the King of the 4 Line. And I saw what guys like Tracy 168, Rub 5 and Pnut 2 were doing.

What train lines did you hit back then?

Mostly the 4, 5, 2, the D and the old CC trains.  But I also hit the 7 and the 1 lines.

Did you work with any crews?

Lots. Among them was MGA – with Set 149, Padre, Stone High.  When I was 16, I started OTB and was its first president. Presidents that followed included Noc 167, Ban 2 and the current one, Cope 2.

Nic707

Were you ever arrested?

Let’s just say I was held against my will a couple of times. Life was more adventurous back then.

What is the riskiest thing you ever did?

Probably jumping off the trains when they were moving. I could’ve gotten killed. Some writers did. I also remember when I had to ride on the top of a train to escape some cops, surf to the next station and leap to the roof and lie there for two hours until the coast was clear.

How did your family respond to what you were doing?

They never supported me.  When I was 19, I returned from summer camp to discover that my mother had destroyed everything I had ever created.  That ended my early stint as a graffiti artist. Luckily, I found my way back to it about seven years ago.

What were you doing all those years you were away from it? And what brought you back to it?

I was doing lots of things – mostly stand-up comedy and other things that I shouldn’t have been doing. But I finally realized how much I missed my graffiti days.

Nic707

I’ve recently seen your work on walls here in the Bronx and up in Inwood.  I also saw it on exhibit at Gallery 69 in Tribeca. Have you exhibited anywhere else?

I took part in an exhibit at NYU and at a number of smaller private spaces.

How do you feel about the movement of graffiti and street art into galleries?

I applaud it. It pushes writers to continually refine their styles, and I think it’s great that they can make some money from their talents. I also like the idea of graffiti reaching folks who frequent galleries.

Why do you suppose graffiti seems to garner more respect in Europe than it does here – where it was born?

You’re never a hero in your hometown. And NYC is filled with too many haters.

Who are some of your other favorite graff artists these days?

There are many.  Meres, T-Kid 170, King Bee, Sonic, and Serve 1 are among them.

Do you have a formal art education?

No. But I attended DeWitt Clinton High School – along with dozens of other writers. It was the best art education I could get.

Nic707

Tell us something about your current project.

I came up with the concept in 2008 for “InstaFame Phantom Art.” It’s about creating moving art galleries – back on the subways where graffiti had its first and strongest impact. It’s about bringing people’s art to the people. Who really wants to read a Budweiser ad twenty times?

And how have folks reacted to it?

They love it!

And what about the “InstaFame” part?

Yeah. I want to be famous. Doesn’t everybody?

I’m not sure!  What do you see as the role of the artist in society?

To inspire others to dream and to follow their dreams.

How do you see yourself in five years?

I’d like to have my own graffiti reality television show.

Good luck! It sounds like fun! And in the meantime we’re looking forward to seeing more of your InstaFame Phantom Art galleries riding our trains.

 Photos by Lois Stavsky

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the Royal Kingbee

Born in Harlem and raised in the Bronx, the Royal Kingbee UW is best known for his stylishly striking bee that shapes the urban landscape of the Bronx and beyond.  Commissioned by a range of businesses from Rite Aid to Bacardi, Kingbee continues to dazzle us with his talents on an array of surfaces both on and off the streets. 

When did it all begin? When did you first discover your artistic talents?

When I was in the third grade, I began drawing cars, clouds, trees – the usual things kids draw.  And I started winning art contests for my skills. I haven’t stopped drawing since!

When did you start getting up? When did you first hit public surfaces?

I started getting up some time in the late-80’s back in my high school days. I went to school with Sak from MBT crew and Stin1.

What inspired you at the time?

What I saw on the trains and what writers like Kyle 156, JonOne, Koze and Poke were doing at the time really inspired me.

The Royal Kingbee

What is your first graffiti memory?

The first time I went bombing I was all dressed up! My parents were very strict, and I was expected to present myself at all times in – what they considered – a respectable way. And so the first time I hit the streets, I went straight from a party and was wearing a suit.  We looked awesome!

What is the riskiest thing you ever did?

Painting along the tunnels with the Amtrak trains whizzing by.  It was a risk we chose to take at the time.

Why?

We did it for the fame, but also for the adrenaline rush. I miss those adrenaline-induced days!

the Royal Kingbee

Have you ever been arrested?

I’ve never been caught. We always did our homework.

With whom have you collaborated?

Back in the 90’s, I ran with my crew: VASE One, Nev, Bomb5, Cine, Lady-Di, Jew, Kerz and Pose2.  I’ve since collaborated with a range of artists from Shiro — from Japan — to the 4Burners.  This past year VASE and I painted down in Baton Rouge, Louisiana.  I’m looking forward to traveling and exposing my art more in 2013.

What about festivals? Have you participated in any?

I’ve painted in Meeting of Styles and at the Hall of Fame.

the Royal Kingbee in Meeting of Styles

Is there anyone – in particular – with whom you would like to collaborate?

I’d love to paint with Daim – a master of 3-D graffiti — and a number of other European artists who are taking it to the next level.

How do you feel about the current graff scene in New York City?

Graffiti hasn’t evolved enough in New York City. Too many writers keep on doing the same thing over and over. They need to get out of their comfort zone and push the boundaries.

Your bee can be seen about everywhere up here in the Bronx.  Tell us about the birth of the bee.

I was working as an artist on a range of commissions – mostly signs – and I wanted a logo that would be easily recognizable.  And so the BEE was born in 1989.

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We met you at Gallery 69 down in Tribeca where you were exhibiting your artwork. How do you feel about the movement of graffiti into galleries?

It’s cool. I’ve participated in a few shows and look forward to exhibiting my artwork in more galleries in 2013.

Any favorite artists?

Basquiat and Salvador Dali come to mind.

Do you have a formal arts education?

Yes. I studied commercial art in New York City Tech College.

Was it worthwhile?

Definitely. It helped me establish a career as a commercial artist.

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What are some of your other interests? 

I love music. I’m a big fan of Pink Floyd, Guns-n-Roses and Depeche Mode.

What’s ahead?

More canvases. More traveling. It would be fun, too, to do art workshops with kids, who – whenever they see me paint – ask me to teach them how to draw a bee! And I’m working on developing a toy line.

Good luck! It all sounds great!

Photos by Lenny Collado, Tara Murray and Lois Stavsky

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Speaking with Kosby

January 31, 2013

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We’ve been huge fans of Kosby since his stickers and paste-ups began gracing NYC’s public spaces a number of years back. Since, his artwork has surfaced in galleries and is currently on view at the Woodward Gallery Project Space.

When did you first become interested in art?

I have been drawing since I was a kid.  I was lucky that my mom loved what I was doing and bought me comic books to encourage me. My mom also taught me to accept people for who they are. I think that shows in my art.

When and where did you first start hitting the streets?

I started in Chicago between 1993 and 1994, and I began bombing buses. Then I met DREL and he introduced me to street bombing.

How did you guys meet?

He sat on a bench – next to me in church — and I was drawing a graffiti character on a piece of paper.  He was intrigued and we kicked it off. He went as Drel of KMD, BTC and MOM Crew. He also got me to do my first fill-in. He said if I did it at a specific spot on Fullerton Avenue – a particularly busy and dangerous one — I would be set, established as a graffiti writer. And I did it.

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How did your family react to the whole graff thing?

I’m sort of the black sheep of my family.  Ironically, though, graffiti saved my life. Logan Square — where I grew up — was gang-infested, and graffiti was a pass. When gang bangers stopped us, we explained what we were up to and they mostly left us alone.

Respect to the writers! Are you trying to get a specific message across with your work?

No specific message, but I like to be brutally honest. When I was younger, I was often isolated and shy because my family moved around a lot. Today, I’m more open. And that’s difficult for graffiti writers, as we usually play the whole smoke and mirrors game. But I like to be honest about who I am. I struggle with that in my art.

From where do you get your ideas?

My head. I have worked with plenty of people like Sure RIP, Overconsumer and Wisher914. Sure inspired me and prodded me to get better. And I’ve always liked what Cost and Revs were doing. Their poetic messages seem spontaneous and off the head. I ran away from home when I was younger to California and that’s when I was exposed to Mike Giant, Twist, Reminisce and Revok.

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Have you collaborated with any artists?

I’ve done work lately with Cekis, Zato and Crasty. And I have a ton of homies I would like to collaborate with.

Tell us something about your process.

I care less about how something looks and care more about the act of doing it. I did a tribute piece for Nekst RIP recently on a rooftop.I was thinking about how he would never get a chance to paint again, I didn’t like how the piece was turning out, but it was just about doing it. I like having fun and I hope that translates through the work.

What materials do you like to work with?

Anything…spit. ink. markers, vintage paper, cloth.  The other day I tagged with Montana refill paint, mistaking it for an acrylic paint marker.

Have you any favorite artists?

I am a fan of Abstract Expressionism. Some of my favorite artists include: Robert Rauschenberg, Chuck Close, Espo, EKG, Michael Allen Alien, Dee Doc, Anthony Lister, L’amour Supreme, Suck Lord and Rammellzee.

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Have you ever been arrested?

Yes. I was often bailed out of jail by mom. She always worried about me when I stayed out past my curfew. Even though my disposable cameras – that I stole to shoot my work — were confiscated at the time of my arrest, I always got them back in time to get a flick of my mom bailing me out. ‘sorry, Mom.

What are some of your other interests?

I love photography, spending time with my friends and girlfriend and exploring the city.

How has your work evolved?

I’ve never been a good judge of my work. I am actually dangerous with it because I can’t tell when a particular piece of work is done. I keep drawing on it and drawing on it. I’m more interested in people’s reactions to it. I believe I’ve gotten looser and more chill. I don’t like the trendy. I have been careful not to lose that looseness to my work. It’s really a balance I’m looking for.

What do you think about the graffiti and street art divide?

I don’t think there is a divide. It’s a culture within a culture. I’ve seen street artists going over graffiti not knowing what they were doing. If you’d like to learn the proper etiquette, call me at 1 (800) GRAFFPRO.

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What do you think about the Internet in all of this?

It’s good. It’s such a part of our mass culture.

Do you see any danger in Internet oversaturation?

Sure. There should be a “Get off the Internet Day.”  I often put messages like this on my stickers, like “Don’t Use Your Cell Phone Day.” I usually use the Internet in the morning when I check out www.theworldsbestever.com. I’ll be checking out StreetArtNYC.org from now on too. But that’s it.

How do you feel about your work being shown in galleries?

I love to share my art; it makes me happy. I like to stand next to people at galleries as they check out my art. I like getting their honest response to it.

When you’re not getting up on the streets, where do you tend to work?

It’s changed over the years. My mom gave me my first studio. For a while, my kitchen served as my work space, and I had collectors call me wanting to see my work. I said, “Of course, just come to my kitchen.” I’d say I’m in a better space now.

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Who do you follow these days?

I’m looking at Lois Stavsky, as well as Martha Cooper, Angelo from Doyle Auction House, Royce Bannon, Brooklyn Street Art, Alex Emmert, SuckLord, who’s a major mentor, and Simeon from Art Hustle.

What do you see yourself doing in the next five years?

Chilling with my family and friends, enjoying a nice glass of wine, while we laugh with some purple kicking it back with my boy, Lenny.

‘sounds cool!

I want to say thank you to StreetArtNYC for being so supportive of NYC artists and to Lois for being so positive. And don’t forget, guys, to check out the StreetArtNYC app!

Interview by Lenny Collado; photos by Dani Mozeson and Lois Stavsky

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Speaking with Nether

January 23, 2013

Nether in NYC

With his hauntingly elegant wheatpastes of everyday folks, Baltimore-based Nether has transformed the visual landscape of his city’s bleakest blocks. Within the past few months, his vision has also made its way to NYC. And opening tomorrow, January 24, at Weldon Arts is Crumbling Cities, a solo exhibit of Nether’s works.

When and why did you first get up?

It all started – sadly – as a rebellious middle schooler trying to be cool.

Did any particular artists inspire you to move in your current direction?

The two artists who really got me going were Gaia and Tefcon.  I was living and sharing a studio space with Tefcon, and just watching his relentless hustle and work inspired me.  And around that time, I got to be friends with Gaia and filmed him at work with Nanook.  I soon became super interested in wheatpaste.  It was like a bomb went off in my head.  It seemed like the perfect bridge between my politics and my art.  And Gaia was super helpful showing me the ropes and sharing his print and other connections with me.

When did you begin getting your wheatpastes up?

Started really going hard about three – four years ago.

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And what about the risks? What inspired you to take the legal risks?

Seeing what other artists like Cedar, Dume, Ways, and a lot of KSW/NSF writers were doing at the time inspired me. And I see my work on the streets as a way to empower other Baltimoreans.

In the past few years, you’ve made quite a mark. Your work can be seen not only in Baltimore, but in NYC, Philly, DC, Berlin, Shanghai, Paris and London. You seem to be on a mission. Could you tell us something about it?

I see public art as a vehicle for social change. And the artist — by transforming the landscape – is the facilitator of this change. By getting up on the streets, I can reach masses of people at the same time that I am beautifying the environment.

Are there any issues that particularly concern you?

My main focus is the issue of slumlords neglecting their vacant properties in Baltimore.  People just deem these areas hopeless and don’t think to address the issue or find out who is responsible. I am trying to put it in their faces.

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Any favorite spots?

Anything vacant. I love vacant doors, electrical boxes and glass.

How do the cops respond to your current ventures?

Generally, if the cops come by, it’s in a non-threatening way.  They always have way more pressing issues on their plates. I just tell them that I’m trying to beautify the neighborhood, and they are usually just curious and confused.  A few times they’ve actually watched my back!  Most of the more intense run-ins with the police have been out-of-town.

What about your parents?

When I first started going hard with it, they were worried.  I remember getting a call from my mom after she drove by one of my pieces on i-83. But now they are totally down and both really dig it.

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What was the riskiest thing you ever did?

The riskiest thing I ever did was the dumbest. I was with my buddy Tony trying to put up a piece in daylight on the Amtrak Line.  Two trains passed by, and then one came by super slow and stopped. Three transit cops jumped off and chased me.  I ran off the track clearing, slid off this embankment and fell like 20 feet into the Jones Falls.  Then I swam across and hid under a rock for like 45 minutes till they gave up looking for me.  I got a really nasty cough after that.

What about the role of the Internet in all this? How do you feel about it?

I have mixed feelings about it. On one hand, it kills the experience of simply stumbling upon a piece.  On the other hand, it allows folks all over the world to see the work I’ve created for a specific small community.

Are there any artists who particularly intrigue you these days?

I am really digging Pixel’s recent work and Ludo in Paris.  Swoon has always been my favorite artist, and her new stuff continues to stun me.  On the graf side of things, it’s Kuma and Goal.

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Have you collaborated with any artists?

I’ve installed work with a bunch of artists from different places.  Shouts to Mata Ruda, Harlequinade, Sorta, Gaia, Tefcon  — and many others.

How do you feel about the branding of street art and graffiti? Are you open to it?

I think it’s sad, but often necessary.  It’s all about who you get the money from and what you do with the money.  On one hand, all this focus on money changes the nature of the underground. But, at the same time, the money allows us to pump funds into the street game.

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What’s ahead?

I’m super-psyched about this new project with the Baltimore Slumlord Watch. We are going to wheatpaste artwork onto all of Baltimore’s neglected vacant properties. We will post large QR codes – next to the artwork – directing passersby to the Slumlord Watch website. On the doorways we will list the specific property violations and the contact info to report them.  This project is intended to create awareness and pressure absentee slumlords into fulfilling their responsibilities.  I am also working on a mural project with the Muhammad Ali Center.

It all sounds wonderful! And good luck with your exhibit at Weldon Arts.

Interview by Lois Stavsky; photos by Tara Murray, Lois Stavsky and courtesy of the artist

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