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Speaking with Zed1

October 29, 2013

With his wondrous skills, Italian artist Zed1 has been enhancing the walls of our city.  His signature characters have recently surfaced in Brooklyn and at Welling Court in Astoria, Queens. Earlier this month, we stopped by Williamsburg’s Bottleneck Gallery, where he was painting, and had the chance to speak to him.

Zed1

When and where did you first get up?

Back in ’93 in Tuscany. I was 16. I started the way just about every graffiti artists does – with tags and letters.

What inspired you?

A friend showed me photos of graffiti walls in the U.S. that he had discovered in a book store. And then when I began hitting walls, it seemed like the perfect way for me to express myself.

What is the riskiest thing you did?

Painting on moving trains.

Why were you willing to that that risk?

I love making people happy by bringing trains to life. I also like the adrenalin rush that comes with painting trains.

Zed1

Have you ever been arrested?

I was stopped only once. But the police liked what I was doing and let it go. The whole attitude towards graffiti is different back home and the police are different. They are more relaxed.

Do you work with a sketch-in-hand or do you just let it flow?

I like the freedom that comes with working without a sketch. But if the wall that I’m doing is especially challenging, I usually bring a sketch with me.

Are you generally satisfied with your finished piece? 

No. It always seems incomplete to me. It never feels finished.

Zed1

How has your work evolved through the years?

It has evolved tremendously.  I started off as a graffiti writer, but now I am more of a muralist. Also, I am much more concerned with the concept behind the work than I used to be. And I’m intent on communicating with the public.

Could you tell us something about your second-skin work – the pieces you create that evolve into something different with time?

I came up with the idea about two years ago when I created an animal with the head of a man that peels away to reveal another face. I love giving folks the opportunity to interact with my work and play with my art. And there’s a message here: We all see things differently. We each have our own perspective. And if you want to understand another person’s way of perceiving the world, you must change heads.

That certainly makes sense! Do you prefer working legally or illegally?

I like both. Working illegally give me more freedom, but working in a sanctioned space gives me more time.

Zed1

Have you exhibited your work in a gallery setting?

I much prefer to paint on the streets. It is far more democratic. I don’t like most galleries, and I don’t paint to get the attention of gallerists. I’d rather paint on a public wall than on a canvas. That way I can share my work with everyone, not just the elite. But I am beginning to show my work in galleries that respect my vision.

Have you a formal art education?

No. I studied graphic design, but I was never a good student.

How do your parents feel about what you do?

They don’t understand. My mother tries to, but my father has an entirely different notion of  “success” that’s tied in with material things.

Zed1

Do you make money from your art? What is the main source of your income?

I earn money by doing commissions and I sell art. Art is my life.

Is there much of a graffiti/street art divide back home?

Not as much as here, and the lines continue to blur. Festivals invite both graffiti writers and street artists, and many writers include characters in their pieces.  But there is some tension, as far fewer people understand graffiti. Street art is far more accessible to most folks.

Have you painted in other countries – besides Italy and the US?

I’ve painted in Denmark, Romania, Norway, Spain, the UK and Brazil.

Zed1

Have you any favorite places to paint?

I especially like to paint in poor, run-down neighborhoods. I like interacting with the people who live in them, and I like enhancing their spaces.

Any favorite arists?

Particular favorites include: Blu, Banksy and Os Gemeos.

How do you feel about the role of the Internet in all this?

It is very important. It has given birth to many careers.

Zed1

What do you see as the role of the artist in society?

I can’t speak for other artists. But my role is to communicate with people by bringing beauty into their lives and raising issues they might not – on their own — think about.

What’s ahead?

More travel. I love painting in different countries. And more artworks and videos illustrating my second skin concept.

Interview by Lois Stavsky; photos 1,2, & 3 Zed1 in Sheepshead Bay, Brooklyn by Tara Murray; photo 4 at Welling Court and photo 5 at Bottleneck Gallery by Lois Stavsky; photo 6 in Williamsburg, Brooklyn by Dani Reyes Mozeson, and final photo in Greenpoint, Brooklyn by Tara Murray

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Active on the streets of NYC for over 30 years, James Sexer Rodriguez has also achieved wide commercial success as a designer.  His works on canvas, fusing elements of graffiti and realism, have been exhibited in galleries in NYC, the Caribbean and in Europe. His upcoming exhibit, Urban Convictions, will feature his new works — alongside new paintings by Zimad — this Friday evening at Rogue Gallery Chelsea, 508 West 26th Street.

Sexer

When and where did you first get up?

I started tagging in notebooks when I was about 10. By the time I was 13, I was hitting the walls in the South Bronx with tags. And within a short span of time, the tags evolved into pieces.

What inspired you?

My ex-brother-in-law was a writer with B.A. (Bronx Artists), and my entire neighborhood was a breeding ground for writers.

Have you any early graffiti-related memories that stand out?

We used to steal ink from the supermarket and make our own markers. I remember spilling the ink all over myself, as I was getting ready to go bombing.

Sexer-on-canvas

Did you represent any crews?

I was president of BA (Bronx Artists); other crews I represented include OTB, SYB, SSB and12 Disciples.

Have you ever been arrested?

I was caught several times, but booked only once – for a misdemeanor for public defacing.  Basically, the police didn’t want to do the paper work, and so they just let me go. Things were different back in the day and they actually let us finish the pieces.

How did your mom feel about what you were doing back then?

My mom was oblivious to just how illegal graffiti was, but she always knew where I was going and what I was doing.

Sexer

What is the riskiest thing you did?

Painting pieces in a tunnel with a one-inch clearance between the train and the wall.

Why were you willing to that that risk?

I wasn’t thinking! I was looking for fame. You couldn’t pay me to do it now!

Do you work with a sketch-in-hand or do you just let it flow?

About 90% of the time I work with a sketch. What I do these days is largely conceptual, and it takes planning.

Are you generally satisfied with your finished piece? 

I work on it until I am satisfied with it.

Sexer and Zimad

Have you a formal art education?

I went to Art & Design High School, where I was around writers like Doze, Crash and Seen, Paze, Size, Ence.  I also attended FIT and did some courses at Parsons.

What percentage of your time is devoted to art?

95% of it. I live off my art. My kids and my art are my life.

Are there any particular cultures that have influenced your aesthetic?

I wouldn’t say I’ve been influenced by any specific cultures. But life, itself, and growing up in the South Bronx and New York City have probably been my main aesthetic influences.

Sexer

Any thoughts about the graffiti/street art divide?

I don’t like labels. I’m originally a graffiti artist, but I like street art.  Street artists may use different techniques and tools, but they have given us all – including galleries — a new lease on life.  Just look at all the attention Banksy and the art community have been getting since he began his residency on NYC streets!

How do you feel about that – the attention that Banksy has been getting?

It’s good. It keeps the art community healthy.

Why do you suppose the art world has been so reluctant to embrace graffiti?

Probably because of graffiti’s association with vandalism. It’s problematic to many.

Any favorite arists?

Certainly Picasso. He had so many styles and could do just about anything. Among graffiti writers, my favorites include Seen, Doze Green, Duro, Pase and Crash

Sexer and Zimad

How do you feel about the role of the Internet in all this?

It’s a blessing. You don’t have to have a million dollars to market yourself. The Internet has become a vital tool.

Have you any feelings about the photographers in the scene?

I am thankful for their coverage. But it’s important that they ask the artist’s permission and that they credit the artist whose work they are photographing.

What do you see as the role of the artist in society?

The artist has a responsibility to share his God-given talents with the world.

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What do you see as the future of graffiti?

Graffiti is here to stay. It’s exciting and invigorating, and it is attracting an increasingly diverse following.

What about you? What’s ahead for you?

Well, after so many years of painting and striving for better and better, there’s only one direction for me: UP. I refuse to stop. I will continue to document my imagination and my emotions on whatever surface is in front of me. I love sharing my art.

Interview by Lois Stavsky; photo 1, close-up from Sexer’s new self-portrait, courtesy of the artist; photos 2 and 3, from Sexer’s solo exhibit at 5Pointz, by Dani Reyes Mozeson; photos 4 and 6, with Zimad at 5Pointz, by Lois Stavsky; photo 5, Sexer painting at 5Pointz, by Tara Murray

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Currently featured in Style Wars 2, Devi has painted and DJ’d throughout the globe. I met up with him here in NYC.

Devi

When and where did you first get up?

I grew up in Palestinian refugee camps, as that’s where my mom’s human rights work took us.  And so my first tag was on the outskirts of Jerusalem. Then when I was 16, we returned to London. And that’s when I got heavy into trains. The best were “Messy Mondays.” We stole paints, drank beer and hit the trains.

Devi in Tel Aviv graffiti shop

Devi

How does your mom feel about what you are doing?

At first she hated it. She worried about me, and she hates illegal activities. But she saw that there was no stopping me and that I was finding a way to survive doing it.  So she’s come to accept it.

What percentage of your time is devoted to graffiti these days?

I’m always following it.  And I do graffiti workshops with kids in war-torn zones.  I’ve spent quite a bit of time in Ramalla, Nablus, Jenin, Jericho and Gaza.

What was that like? I’m curious about Gaza.

I loved working with the kids, but the place broke my heart. There’s no money in Gaza. The city runs off generators, and it’s run by a bunch of gangsters with grenades waging a “holy war.”  I escaped weekends by going off to Jerusalem or Tel Aviv. But for those who live there – there is no escape.

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Have you any thoughts about the graffiti/street art divide?

There is definitely a divide. Graffiti is a lifestyle and culture. It attracts many angry people, along with those that just want to have fun. It’s important for a writer to stay up and stay recognized — representing his crew and hood and keeping the writing element of hip-hop alive on the streets. I can’t pretend to know what goes on in a street artist’s heads. But I know it’s a different mentality.

How do you feel about the movement of graffiti into galleries?

We all dream of making money some day from doing what we love. But if you’re doing it for exposure or more fame, you’re a toy.

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Have you shown your work in galleries?

I recently had an exhibit in Tampa, Florida of photos of my graffiti on trains.

What is the main source of your income?

I d-jay and I sell paintings.

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What brought you to the U.S.?

I’m featured in the independent film, Style Wars 2and I came in for a private screening that Henry Chalfant had organized in Hollywood.  And — while here in the U.S. — I wanted to explore NYC, possibly play some DJ sets and go to the upcoming NYC premiere of Style Wars 2

What’s ahead?

To continue to inspire the next generation to spread positive and creative energy.  It’s more than just vandalism.

Interview by Lois Stavsky.  Photos courtesy of the artist. The graffiti shop pictured is Capzoola in Tel Aviv.

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A pioneer of graffiti art in Kenya, Wise2 fashions intricate African patterns, tribal masks and ancient writing systems — particularly Sanskrit — onto huge walls. With an increasing global presence, he recently brought his skills to Bushwick, Brooklyn, where we met up:

Wise2

When and where did you first get up?

About ten years ago, I started tagging my name in my neighborhood in Nairobi, Kenya. I got started the way most writers do — with basic lettering.

What introduced you to the graffiti culture?

The movie Style Wars.

Have you ever been arrested for graffiti?

I was close to being arrested. But in Nairobi you can bribe your way out.

What is the attitude of your family towards what you do?

They’re cool.

What percentage of your time is devoted to art?

All of it. I especially love street art, and if I am not painting, I am researching and checking out other artists and their art.

What is your main source of income?

I earn money from commissions. I have a bunch of corporate clients that keep my art moving.

Wise2

How do you feel about the link between the corporate world and the street art world?

I don’t mind working for corporations, as long as my clients respect my creativity and allow me to express myself without any hindrances.

Is there much of a street art/graffiti divide back in Kenya?

No. There are just a few of us and we respect each other.

Have you any thoughts as to why the art world is hesitant to accept graffiti and street art as legitimate art forms?

We street artists are the most dangerous folks out there. We mix with everybody, not just the elite. We cross classes and cultures. And if we get into the art world, we’ll destroy it…in a good sense!

Do you prefer working alone or collaborating with others?

Both. I love to collaborate, but these days I prefer working alone because I want to continue to develop and cultivate my own creativity.

Do you have a formal art education?

No, I’m self-taught. I studied Philosophy and Law.

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What inspires you these days?

Ancient civilizations, hieroglyphics and Arabic writing.

Have you any favorite artists?

Retna. He is  one amazing artist. I love what he does.

Are there any specific cultures that influence your work?

I’m influenced by a lot of ancient cultures. But I am mainly interested in establishing a strong cultural base of my own. I don’t want to emulate other cultures, but rather learn from them — so that they can help my body of work grow gradually.

Do you work with a sketch-in-hand, or do you just let it flow?

I often work with a sketch in hand, but I don’t follow it exactly.

Are you generally satisfied with your finished product?

Often I love it. Other times I think I could have done better.

Wise2 and Joel Bergner

Have you exhibited your work in a gallery setting?

I haven’t yet. The street is my primary gallery, the largest and best gallery any artist could have. But I’m open to the idea of exhibiting my work in a formal gallery setting.

What do you see as the role of the artist in society?

It is to inspire. And it is a very crucial role. An artist has a huge responsibility. What he puts out there reflects on his character and on his society.

How do you feel about the role of the photographer and blogger in the street art scene?

Their roles are pivotal when it comes to street art; we need more bloggers and photographers.

What’s ahead? 

Traveling and painting, researching, and, eventually, exposing my work in galleries, as well.

What do you think of New York City?

I love it. The whole world is here. In the past few weeks, I’ve met folks from everywhere.

Interviewed by Lois Stavsky; photo 1 at the Bushwick Collective by Dani Mozeson; photo 2 courtesy of the artist; photo 3 with Joel Bergner in Bushwick by Tara Murray; photo 4 close-up from collaborative wall in Bushwick by Lois Stavsky

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Based in Córdoba, Argentina, Elian fashions mesmerizing abstract compositions on huge walls. In late summer, Los Muros Hablan brought Elian and his sumptuous style to the South Bronx. While he was here in NYC, we had the opportunity to meet up.

When and where did you first get up?

Ten years ago. I was 15 when I started tagging and bombing in Córdoba.

What inspired you at the time?

My friends were doing it, and so I tried it.  I’m dyslexic, and I had always struggled with writing. But with a spray can in hand, it felt right. It was the first time I ever felt at home writing.

Elian

How does your family feel about what you’re doing?

Everyone is supportive. My mother bought me my first spray can.

What percentage of your time is devoted to art?

All of it.

Do you have a formal art education?

I studied graphic design. But I don’t like “institutions.”

Do you work with a sketch in hand, or just let it flow?

I always work with a sketch in hand.

Are you generally satisfied with your finished piece?

Yes.

Elian

How has your art evolved through the years?

It evolved from 3d graffiti to flat images. One can go only so far with graffiti.

When you look back at what you did two years ago, how do you feel about it?

It was too limited. There wasn’t enough concept behind it.

What other cities have you painted in besides those in Argentina?

I’ve painted in Berlin, Barcelona, Madrid, Paris, Santiago and Lima. And in the U. S. in Miami, Atlanta, and here in New York City.

Have you a favorite city?

Lima. I loved the food and the people.

Elian

What is the riskiest thing you ever did?

Painting trains, climbing heights and living every day.

What inspires you these days?

City life. Everything I see. The garbage, broken pavement…NYC is amazing!

Are there any particular cultures or movements that have influenced your aesthetic?

Pop-art, Russian constructivism, neo-plasticism, minimalism.

Have you any favorite artists?

Among my favorite artists who paint in public spaces are MOMO, Jaz, and El Tono. Other artists I love include Sol LeWitt, Mondrian and Pablo Siquier.

Elian

How do you feel about the role of the Internet in this movement?

It’s a necessary tool, as it allows us to see what others are doing, and it gives me an opportunity to get my work out to a larger audience.

What do you see as the role of the artist in society?

I think of the artist as a cultural engine, an agent for change. The artist initiates a dialogue between the city’s walls and its inhabitants.

How do you feel about the role of the photographer and blogger in all this?

I like it. It creates additional opportunities for artists to reach people. It is necessary for our culture.

Elian

How does the street art culture here in NYC differ from the one back home in Buenos Aires 

Back home, you generally don’t need permission to paint. People are grateful to you for sharing your talents with them. Here everything is a business. Back home, people are more interested in ideas.

How do you feel about the movement of street art to galleries and museums?

I’m not sure how I feel. My gallery is the city. And it is the most democratic place for me to share my work.

What’s ahead?

Working hard at my craft, engaging in huge public projects and giving back to the community.

Interview by Lois Stavsky; photos courtesy of the artist

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Based in Argentina where he shares a studio with artists Jaz and Ever, Pastel recently participated in the urban arts festival, Los Muros Hablan, here in NYC.  His splendid mural in the South Bronx is representative of his distinct aesthetic, which fuses his passions and talents for architecture, painting and muralism.  I had the opportunity to speak to him briefly last month before he returned to his native Buenos Aires.

When did you first get up in a public space?

When I was 14 or 15, I began tagging in my Buenos Aires neighborhood with markers that I made from tampons and tar. But then when I broke my knee playing soccer and I could no longer dream of playing professionally, I began painting walls. That was in 2002.

Have you a formal art education?

I studied architecture at the University of Buenos Aires.

But you aren’t working primarily as an architect these days; are you?

No, I don’t like the structure of business, and I don’t see the need for more construction in cities.  There are too many buildings already.

Pastelfd

What percentage of your time is devoted to art?

Almost all of my time. About 20% is devoted to architecture, but I would like to devote 100% of it to my own art.

What is the riskiest thing you ever did?

Living my life as an artist.  In Argentina, it’s way expensive and uncertain.

I suppose that’s the life of an artist anywhere! How does your family feel about what you’re doing now?

At the beginning they didn’t understand it; now they love it.

Pastelfd

Do you prefer working alone or collaborating with others?

I like both, and they’re both different experiences. I especially love collaborating with Elian. We just look at each other, and we know! A real symbiosis. Our styles are different, but we can fuse them to create one image. Two paintings become one.

What is your ideal working environment?

I grew up in the city, and I love it, but I probably prefer being away from the city. Maybe in a tropical space.

Do you work with a sketch, or do you just let it flow?

I begin with a sketch and progress to a watercolor.  I then paint on a canvas and finally on a wall. I try to use the wall as the final stage of a study.

Pastelfd

Are you generally satisfied with your finished piece?

I try to be, but I’m never quite. There are always things to improve.

How has your work evolved through the years?

It’s changed radically. It’s far more conceptual these days with a philosophical mix. I need to have a concept behind the painting. I don’t paint just to paint. I need the work to tell something

How do you feel about the role of the Internet in all this?

It’s the new Jesus. You need to trust in somebody or something.

Pastelfd

What about the photographers and bloggers?

I love them. They’re essential. We need them.

Is there much of a graffiti/street art divide in Buenos Aires?

They are two different worlds, but we all get along.

What’s ahead?

More painting, more new projects and loving more and more what I do.

Interview by Lois Stavsky; first photo of Pastel in the South Bronx by Lois Stavsky; following two photos of Pastel in Buenos Aires and final two of Pastel in Atlanta, Georgia, courtesy of the artist.

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Bishop203 at Low Brow Artique

September 20, 2013

Earlier this week, we had the opportunity to interview one of our favorite people, Bishop203. A first-rate artist who’s been hitting a range of surfaces from abandoned factories, freight trains and walls to black books and canvases for years, Bishop203 is now the owner of Low Brow Artique, a superb space at 143 Central Avenue in Bushwick.

Bishop203

When did you first conceive of opening a business?

It was something that had been in the back of my mind for quite awhile. But growing up, I’d always wanted to be an art teacher.

So – what happened?

I hated school, and I failed all of my art classes. Actually, I failed just about all of my classes. And when my friends went on to college, I stayed behind for two more years and then graduated to painting freight trains.

Low Brow Artique

And how did Low-Brow Artique – one of our favorite spaces – come to be?

About a year and a half ago – soon after my father died – I thought to myself,  “I’m not doing anything much with my life, so why not open a business related to what I love?”  But I didn’t have a business plan or anything.  At first, I thought I would open an art supply store, but I wasn’t sure I had enough knowledge to do so at that point. And so I decided to focus on graffiti supplies, as I knew enough about hooligans to run a business catering to fellow hooligans.

What made you decide to set up shop in Bushwick?

I felt there was a need for it here.  There was no other outlet for graff supplies in my neighborhood, and with Joe Ficalora, the curator of the Bushwick Collective, making so many walls available to artists coming here from all over the world, the local aerosol art scene was booming.

Low Brow Artique

We notice you have just about every brand of spray paint here at really good prices.  There are also markers, pens, black books, a variety of hand-printed and home-made goods, and t-shirts. What else is available? 

Canvases, wood panels, screen print supplies, Liquitex paints, Krink and much more. I’m also about to start stocking Montana 94.

And your gallery has become one of the most popular graffiti/street art venues in NYC.  Tell us something about that.

I love it. It gives me the opportunity to showcase my favorite art. And it was especially wonderful for me to recently feature my dear buddy Bisc’s work. Bisc and I go back years, and his show was my most successful one. It was epic.

Bishop

What are some of your goals for Low Brow? Where would you like to see it go?

I love teaching the young bucks of the next generation. I can see myself giving formal classes here.  And I want to help up-and-coming artists achieve their dream by exhibiting their work.. That, perhaps, may be my greatest legacy.

How do folks find out about your space? 

It’s word-of-mouth. The graffiti world is small, and everyone wants to be up on the latest news.

Low Brow Artique

And what about your artwork? We see it regularly at 5Pointz and in this part of town. What’s happening with it? 

Well, for the most part, it’s taken a back seat to what’s happening here at Low Brow. But I’m ready to step up my game, especially when it gets too cold for much to be happening on the streets. And just this week, I was delighted to have a print released by my fellow hooligan, Bisc, who in collaboration with his partner at Daylight Curfew, has begun a monthly print series.

Bishop print

What do you see as the future of graffiti and street art?

I see it as just getting bigger and bigger. Just check out what’s been happening down the block.

 Interview by Lois Stavsky with Tara Murray; photos by Lois Stavsky; print image courtesy of Daylight Curfew

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COCO144 is a pioneer New York City-based graffiti/street artist. He started tagging in 1969, co-founded United Graffiti Artists and introduced the stencil into the graffiti movement in NYCThis interview was conducted and edited by Yoav Litvin. Yoav is a writer, photographer and author of a forthcoming book on NYC graffiti/street art.

You were there at the beginning of it all. How did graffiti start?

Graffiti is what the media called it. What I call the writing movement started in NYC back when I was in junior high in 1968. It began in the Inwood section of Manhattan with Julio204. Then in 1969, it took off in Washington Heights, with writers like Phil T. Greek and TAKI 183.1970

Why did writing start?

Writing was a reflection of the times — the socio-political and economic realities back then. It was a combination of the spirit of the anti-war movement, frustration with economical and social inequality, and racial and political tensions.

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How do you feel about the evolution of it all? Where’s it heading? What’s the difference between today and back when graffiti just started out?

It has changed from a social scream of the inner city to a large-format, graphic design-like urban beautification movement. Go out right now and try to write your name on a wall, you’ll get arrested! Try to paint anything else and you’re more likely to get away with it.  Back then, we wanted to be known within our circle of writers for destroying the system; you hit, do your thing and were cool to be incognito rather than celebrating who you are. That’s changed today.

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Why do you think this movement has spread throughout the world?

Making your mark is a contagious virus with no known vaccination or cure.

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Who do you consider are the pioneers?

My contemporaries, far too many to name, but I also feel that folks who are really interested in knowing the history of the movement should do their research.

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How did you get your name – COCO144?

COCO was a term of endearment given to me by my parents when I was 3 months old. I grew up on 144th St. in Harlem.

What are some of your preferred mediums?

Markers, spray paint and later I developed the stencil for obvious tactical reasons.

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What were some of the concerns and dangers you had to consider?

Going into the yards you always had to consider the third rail. Other than that, there wasn’t much security to worry about at that time.

How have you evolved as an artist?

My name has developed and evolved in a calligraphic sense. I’m still working with my name. I see it as a process of constant rediscovery of myself; my name is a big part of who I am. Today I am influenced by my workplace, a Science Research Institute in Manhattan. I integrate the sciences into my name. I find it fascinating that both art and science utilize and emphasize the process of experimentation/trial and error. Both also greatly value and rely on curiosity and modesty as driving forces. Lastly, both accentuate the importance of the process as much as that of the final product.

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All photos ©COCO144

For a slideshow by COCO click the following link: COCO

For an interview with Yoav on Street Art NYC see here.

 

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Based in Granada, Spain, the wonderfully talented and passionate artist Raúl Ruiz, aka El Niño de las Pinturas, visited NYC earlier this summer. I met up with him at the Bushwick Collective – where he was painting with Rimx – and then caught up with him at 5Pointz, where we spoke briefly.

El Nino de las Pinturas

When did you first get up?

Back in the 90’s. I was 11 when I brought graffiti to my neighborhood in Granada, Spain.  I began the usual way — by tagging and bombing.

What inspired you?

The movie Style Wars introduced the culture to me.

What is the attitude of the authorities in Granada to graffiti?

The government makes it tough. The fines for doing illegal works are excessive. It’s difficult to paint anywhere without the owner’s permission. And even when I had the owner’s permission and he loved what I did, I was forced to whitewash the wall.

How does your family feel about what you do? 

At first, they didn’t like it. They told me to paint only canvases.  But now they take pride in what I do.

El Nino de las Pinturas

Any thoughts about the movement of graffiti and street art into galleries?

It’s okay. We artists need money to live. But when our art is in a gallery, it’s no longer graffiti.  Graffiti is made in the streets for all people to experience. And we we must always remember to respect our masters  — the streets.  The streets are the inspiration and source of it all. If we lose the streets, we lose the way.

What percentage of your time is devoted to art?

Everything I do is art.

Have you a formal art education?

I studied fine arts for a year and a half. But I didn’t need teachers. I have masters — the streets.

Are there any particular cultures that influence your aesthetic?

Granada is a fusion of cultures, so my primary influence is the human culture.  But there are definite Moslem influences to my aesthetic.

What inspires you these days?

Everybody I meet.  And the natural world inspires me, as well. I love animals.

El Nino de las Pinturas and Rimx

Are you generally satisfied with your final piece? 

I am, but when I look at it, I feel like I didn’t create it.

Where have you painted?

Here in the US, I’ve painted in San Francisco, Santa Fe and NYC. I’ve also painted in many other countries. Among them are: Argentina, Venezuela, Mexico, the Dominican Republic, Morocco, Germany, Hungary, Belgium and France.

Any favorite place?

I love them all.

What do you see as the role of the artist in society?

Whatever role society has imposed on the artist — the artist needs to break away from it.

Any thoughts about street art bloggers?

They need to know the artists. Many don’t.

El Nino de las Pinturas and Danielle Mastrion

What about the graffiti/street art divide?

It’s not important. We use the same gallery — the streets. But in some way street art gave legitimacy to graffiti.

What’s ahead?

My art will evolve as I experience more.  And I will continue to develop my own distinct style.

Interview by Lois Stavsky; photos 1. El Niño de las Pinturas at 5Pointz by Tara Murray; 2. with Rimx at the Bushwick Collective by Lois Stavsky; 3. with Rimx in Bedford-Stuyvesant, courtesy Rimx and 4. with Danielle Mastrion in Bushwick by Tara Murray

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Speaking with Bisco Smith

August 25, 2013

Currently based in both LA and NYC, Bisco Smith is celebrated for his graffiti on walls, as well as for his audio and visual work within hip-hop culture.  WORLD UPSIDE DOWN, a recent collection of this talented artist’s works, is on view at Low Brow Artique, 143 Central Avenue in Bushwick, through September 7th.  We spoke with Bisco soon after his hugely successful opening:

Bisco-graffiti-at-Low-Brow-Artique-Bushwick-NYC

When and why did you start getting up? 

I was about 12 or 13 years old when I started writing.

Any particular inspirations at the time?

I grew up skateboarding, and we were all into writing. Just about everyone in my school had a black book. We also avidly followed Chino’s Graf Flix section in the Source. This was sometime in the mid-90’s.

What was your preferred surface – back then? 

Abandoned buildings. I grew up spending day after day inside of a huge dead factory. We could paint anything and everything in there.

Any early graffiti memories that stand out?

The first time I got taken down to the train tracks, a party got broken up by the police and on our escape, we ended up under a bridge filled with burners.

Bisco Smith

What is the riskiest thing you ever did? 

Train tunnels and some less-than-solid rooftops. I remember getting caught between two trains, coming on opposite sides, while I was standing between two third rails. That experience will make you appreciate life all over again.

Why were you willing to take that risk?

I ask myself the same question now.

What percentage of your time is devoted to art these days?

Just about all of it. Both visual arts and music.

Do you have a day job? What is the main source of your income these days?

I work as a graphic designer and I mentor kids.  I have a strong moral compass, and just about 98% of the work that I do is for the right cause. I’m involved with various community-based organizations including ARTS By the People, based in New York and New Jersey.

Bisco Smith

Have you any thoughts about the graffiti/street art divide?

Graffiti has a code, street rules, that “street art” doesn’t have – and that’s one of the reasons for the tensions between the two. But I don’t think there’s enough respect on either side.

How do you feel about the movement of graffiti and street art into galleries? 

I think it’s great when people can make a living doing what they love – and also impact others.

Would you rather work alone or collaborate with others? 

When I’m working on walls, I prefer to collaborate.  More often than not, I paint with my friends and crew mates: Leias, Bishop203 or Meres

Is there anyone in particular with whom you would like to collaborate? 

Jackson Pollock – if he were alive.

Any favorite graff artists?

Ces. Since Videograf 8 dropped, that whole 90’s era in the Bronx really was my favorite.

Bisco, Meres and Bishop203

Do you have a formal art education?  

Yes. I studied communication design at Pratt.

Was it worthwhile?

Very much so. It taught me a trade. There’s work in graphic design.

How do you feel about the role of the Internet in all this? 

Both positive and negative. I love the connections and opportunities, but miss when style was localized

What inspires you these days?

Lately, I have been heavy on instagram and tumblr checking out other artists, working artists.

Are there any particular cultures that have influenced your aesthetic?

Hip-hop culture for sure.

Bisco and Leias

Do you work with a sketch-in-hand or just let it flow?

I let it flow.

Are you generally satisfied with your finished piece?  

For the most part, but in the end — for me  — it’s more about the day and the moment. The end result is a bonus.

How has your work evolved through the years?

Although I continue to work on the streets, I no longer need its framework to create. I think my artwork is more focused these days – especially if I know it’s headed to a gallery.

What do you see as the role of the artist in society?

Balance out the mundane, as well as make people think.

What about the role of the photographer? The blogger?

It is important to document what’s out there and happening. I think its essential to any movement.

Bisco Smith

Any thoughts about sanctioned vs. unsanctioned art?

I like them both. I think both are needed and both allow for their own outcomes and impacts.

The Europeans seem to appreciate and respect graffiti far more than we do here in the States? Any thoughts about that?

If it doesn’t make money here, society seems to not appreciate it.

What’s ahead?

More visual explorations, socially engaged work, and gallery exhibits.

Interview by Lois Stavsky. Photos: 1. Bisco on exterior of Low Brow Artique, photo by Lois Stavsky; 2. & 3. Bisco in WORLD UPSIDE DOWN, photos courtesy of the artist; 4. Bisco, Meres, Bishop203 & Leias at 5Pointz, photo by Lois Stavsky; 5. Bisco & Leias on exterior of Low Brow Artique, photo by Tara Murray and 6. Bisco in Watts, photo courtesy of the artist

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